Why Everyone Hates Escape From Tarkov
okay here we go this is the escape from
tarov situation now a lot of people have
wanted me to talk about this so escape
from tarov my understanding is that it
is a video game and it is in fact a
video game that has um a lot of very
very very hardcore players before I I do
this they put a video out on Twitter
this is the video that has caused all of
the problems right yes did they escape I
think some people will escape after this
change yes escape from tarov the unheard
Edition trailer here we
go
ooh
ooh ooh wow look at
this oh my God it’s a guy with a
gun uh-huh
the unheard
Edition
okay Co-op PVE mode okay
cool no wipes
okay
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uh-huh Mark of the unheard
unique melee weapon unique arm a unique
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armband
okay
mhm
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additionally this seems all good
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okay so so why is this
B let’s read it let’s read it let’s read
it because I I I don’t understand is
250 no it’s not
no it’s not it’s not
$250 it is where is it where where is it
I want to pull it up right now I’ll pull
it up right now I want to see it
what
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why
I so this is a copy pasta they keep
posting since
2016 players have supported the
developers by purchasing the highest
edition of the game for 8 years we’ve
been recommending this game to friends
bringing more and more players into the
community and what was the developers
response they blown us off refused to
comment and only encourage those who
have lost all respect for themselves and
continue to pour money in I personally
had high hopes for tarov in my eyes it
was a high quality most ambitious
project on this entire Market this is
unacceptable this is selfish this is
disrespectful you’ve disgraced
yourselves completely you’ve you lost
loyal players you’ve betrayed the idea
and it’s
disgusting to everyone who feels the
same way do not be
silent spam make memes spread the word
wherever it’s relevant this cannot be
tolerated since
2016 players have supported the
developers by purchasing the
highest that’s the same message
it’s a copy
paste okay yeah um right I you you got I
I see how that happened right okay so
currently the official Toph discuss ref
is copy p and angry responsible tograph
did for contacts those will to play Talk
is seasonal multiplay extract shooter
that has the base price of 59 USD so $60
different pay to win bundles ranging
from 79 to 159 the bundle includes extra
starter content inventory space the
normal player would speak spend weeks to
grind for each season also has exclusive
content such as gold game tag because
tarov does not have other in-game
purchases other than the heavily priced
bundle players were okay with it and
thanks to tarkov’s Unique gameplay the
game gained a lot of popularity in the
last few years nearly every chov gamer
that I know of has purchased the $150
bundle I actually bought it myself uh I
played one game then I quit cuz I died
um I killed a guy and then I was like
bleeding and I ran away and I died from
bleeding and I was like I I don’t I
don’t want to figure this out and so I
quit playing after I I I bought the $150
bundle um tarov also had no competitor
all somewh contenders died one after
another the surviving tarov competitors
that I can think of right now are a
Chinese copy from 10 cent and net and
Call of Duty’s DMZ uh however tarov
discontinued their most expensive Edge
of Darkness bundle
oh so it’s not even it it’s not even the
case of they added the into the game
they took away the existing thing and
now they’re adding this
instead so it’s like if people are
already buying
$150 why not make them spend
$250 I can see the logic there because
if you look at 250 versus 150 you get
$100 more do if you charge $250 right so
like I mean you put two on top of two
there that’s H1 [ __ ] dollars so yeah
I I can see I can see where they were
going with this yeah I mean they should
have made it $1,000 honestly it would
would have made way more money anyway uh
tarov discontinued this and uh unheard
bundle uh the bundle includes more pay
toin content oh more pay toin content
extra Pocket
slot increase start level of your
character increase stash bace and even
higher starting reputation with Traders
exclusive single player mode that does
not wipe each season uh exclusive
Hideout Zone and even sign sign
transmitter to communicate with other
players in game faster insurance pay
speed more sell slot on in-game market
and 50%
discount on an in-game that’s a lot of
money a unique melee weapon that’s a $70
it’s a $7 Unity store asset flip AI will
not shoot you beyond 60 M after reaching
Max reputation with
fence okay unlock the unlike the $150
pay to win version many of these are
completely exclusive and are fairly op
in such a tactical seasonal multiplay
shooter game players and streamers are
mocking this
game oh my
God basically free PR for any tarov
competitor
so don’t forget to completely on
original bought assets and items wait
what is this surely you guys didn’t B
buy the knife off kurii off the asset
store wait
1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 one
two 1 2 3 4 5 1 2 3 1 okay what about
this right
here okay um what about what about this
like different color of the
blade okay I think they changed the
blade guys so this is different uh if
you look at this right here uh this
blade looks to be more worn and uh this
one is brand new oh it’s the
lighting oh the pricing or content isn’t
the issue okay what is the
issue pull me up all right you’re going
to waste our [ __ ] time with this [ __ ]
uh no no no no you uh you you want you
want your attention you’re getting it
right now you are getting attention at
this very moment the asset flip thing
was debunked that knife exists in real
life we have compared the models they
are different meshes okay so this has
been
debunked okay guys it has been debunked
by Reddit it is just simply a existing
knife that is being used as a reference
so logically two things that are
referencing the same thing would look
the same that yep there it is Reddit has
debunked a lot of things they’ve
debunked atheism uh they’ve debunked uh
America they’ve debunked this knife uh
what else uh they’ve debunked like uh I
think a few people that were like a
Shooters and stuff like that I mean this
is yeah they’ve debunked God yeah I mean
trust me this knife is just Child’s Play
okay so what do you want what do you
want what do you want man like you
typing this [ __ ] come on can can we get
this started let’s go the reason for the
anger is because because end of oh
that’s the this is the $150 thing had
exclusive items promised along with free
access to all future
DLCs which uh which they are with new
additions and features in game modes
claim they are not wait wait wait wa
wait wait wait wait I was mentally AFK
while I was reading that I’m going to
read it again so what you’re saying is
that whenever they said whenever you
bought the $150 version you were
effectively getting um like a forever
stamp right for like the stamps that
never go out of date or like you’re
getting a uh like a a a gold card and
it’s like this will always be relevant
this will always be valid and now they
said your gold card it’s actually
silver is that accurate that’s a real
[ __ ] in the ass I’ll tell you that you
don’t see that kind of stuff every day
that’s bad they’re still saying it’s
okay to charge $250 for this version as
long as they give the people who bought
$150 version a $250 version which they
are
not so wouldn’t that literally be false
advertising Landmark is down to
explain uh
Landmark do I know Landmark is he I I
apologize I’m not sure if I recognize
the name is he one of the guys that
knows his [ __ ] about this he is yo
what’s going on man not much um
interesting day isn’t it yeah it’s a uh
it’s a [ __ ] storm what the [ __ ] is going
on I’ve been asking that all day not
what we expected to wake up to they uh
they said yesterday they were going to
drop a patch and they were going to put
the game down for six hours yeah and
then we wake up and like it’s this whole
[ __ ] storm we’re expecting like a big
update and we get this so it’s not only
that the community was not expecting but
they were actually expecting to have
legitimate content that wasn’t $250 they
they did a little bit Yeah but we we
knew that there was some new edition of
the game coming so to replace the Edge
of Darkness Edition but we didn’t think
it was going to be this so there’s a lot
of different people saying a few
conflicting things so the first thing I
was curious
about do people really in the community
genuinely support the game that much
that they buy the $150 Edge of Darkness
Edition yes it’s just like so this it’s
like Poe kind of it is it is
largely I probably see more people in
game with the $150 Edition than without
it yes and so like because I feel like
tarov has like a they have one of the
most dedicated communities because of
how hardcore the game is like I’ve only
played it for probably less than 20
minutes so like I don’t really
understand it very well I’ve watched
other people play it though and it seems
incredibly in-depth it’s like one of
those games where you can put I’m
assuming probably 2 3,000 hours into the
game and still have more things to learn
is that pretty accurate I’ve got like
15,000 hours um yeah it it’s it’s also
something that no other game replicates
so there’s not really an alternative if
you want this type of experience this is
really at least currently the only
option yeah I mean like dark and darker
right but like that’s just such a
different Dynamic and that’s just but
it’s not it’s not shooter right it’s not
shooter the same it’s it’s not a
realistic take like talkov is all it’s
real items real guns the attachments the
Scopes all that is all real stuff so
people that are into I want to build a
real gun and have a real load out where
where everything is you know true to
life yeah there’s nothing else that does
that yeah tarov gives you like a more
authentic experience and I think it has
like that extra level of realism so
people feel like they’re having as close
to an authentic POS experience as
possible that basically like like if you
build if you mod a gun out and tarov
it’s like you could go out and and buy
that actual gun and make it there it is
yeah so are people mad about the $250
price or are they just mad about the
fact that so like apparently whenever
you bought the $150 version you
effectively got what was a lifetime
membership to any future DLC and now
they’re going back on
that uh seemingly so I think it’s it’s
twofold I think one $250 price tag is
offputting to people yeah right it’s a
lot of money you know $150 was
already that was already a lot and then
slapping an extra hundo on it is yeah
it’s it’s a it’s a price shock but it’s
it’s also the stuff that’s included in
it partially because we’re borderline
pay to win with some of the stuff and
also
because also because there’s they say
it’s not DLC but there’s DLC included in
there um that was promised with the
original edition of the game that we
won’t get access to so there was DLC
that was promised and that DLC is like
for example the single player mode the
extra Hideout Zone and that those things
like would those is that what you’re
considering DC I I can I can read
directly from when you bought this
edition of the game yeah um it says free
access to all subsequent DLC and they
call that the season pass such as escape
from tarov Arena uh so we’re promised
getting all of the subsequent DLC added
to the game for free if you bought the
expensive Edition so can I can I just
real quick the escape from tarov Arena
my understanding is that that’s a
separate version of tarov kind of like
how Call of Duty has war zone
uh yes they’re supposed to be linked
together at some point in the future but
okay so this is getting into an
interesting thing that we noticed on
stream today uh so originally I have an
archived web page of their website
describing the Edge of Darkness Edition
when you buy it and it
says included in the edition free access
to all subsequent DLC parentheses season
pass such as escape from tarov Arena
so they are categorizing
DLC as alternate modes of the
game yes but that like I read that exact
description on the web page today yeah
and then soon after the page was updated
and they removed the part that says such
as escape from tarov Arena and it now
just says free access to all subsequent
DLC parentheses season pass could you
link me that thing so I could just see
yes yeah
that’s
crazy have the devs commented on that at
all no and and it was it was something
we looked at the Page live and then we
went back and we noticed it was changed
so we we pulled up an archived version
of it
uh-huh okay I’m trying to load it right
now and they yeah they also edit it it
might be getting blown up they edited
some other Pages as as well live um that
we picked up on but this was like the
main one because it references the DLC
so yeah I see it right here it’s in the
first paragraph and it says in addition
such as the case of Edge of Darkness
limited edition access to co-op mode and
free access and all subsequent DLC and
this is the official website right now
and it does says it then next it says
when you improve the pre-order version
all current progress so it’s like
something else and this is the web
archive and this archive is from
today wow okay 25th I I literally on my
stream I was reading the archived ver
like live on their website and then we
went back and it was changed so it says
right here such as escape from tarov
arena there it is yes and then also if
you notice the archive version says
unique secured container and the live
version removes the word unique because
the container that you got in the Edge
of Darkness Edition is also in the new
$250 Edition
allegedly it’s yeah so they they went
and they
specifically like amended the word
unique from the
description yeah it says secure
container on the official site right now
and then before it said unique secure
container
yes that’s really I think I think a lot
of people would take the word unique to
mean you know unique to this Edition of
the game you can only get it if you buy
this Edition right yeah and of course
obviously it was led like people were
led to believe that and unique meant
something and now it clearly doesn’t
that’s why it’s been removed and if you
scroll up on the live page as well the
the date is still from 2022 so they also
didn’t note that this was changed so
there’s no update I see so they just
went in and just edited the web page and
then took this out yeah happen I mean I
I don’t know what else it could have
been so why do you think they’re doing
this now because this seems so
surprising because like tarov is one of
those games they have such a dedicated
Community like I’ve seen you know like
some streamers streaming tarov like for
the you know obviously think you guys
have like a lot of like really good
drops and so I’ll see people popping off
like tarov has such a great community
that seems like super engaged why would
they do
this that is what I I’ve been I’ve been
saying the same thing all day yeah um
it’s a game with a dedicated Community
like crazy fans and people you know
they’re willing to spend money on it and
it just seems so odd to me that this is
how they choose to to further monetize
the game and like I I get it you know
they have people like me that we’ve been
playing the game for years and you know
maybe they feel like they want to get
some you know recurring Revenue out of
players or further monetize it to make
money whatever I’m totally fine with
that I get it your business you want to
make money I’m all good with that but
this just isn’t the way to do it um
there’s so many other ways and examples
in games where they monetize things
fairly with with good good cosmetics and
so forth and yeah this just seems like
it seems like all the wrong ways to do
this are there Cosmetics that you can
purchase and escape from tarov for real
money they have yes they have recently
been adding those some of them uh I
think probably all of them don’t quote
me on this are unlockable through the
game through like quests some of them
challenging or like really endgame Quest
some of them not but you can buy
cosmetics in the game
currently and these are all recently
added um how is the commun resp how how
have people responded to
that I don’t think people really minded
nobody gives a it wasn’t it wasn’t like
a big like oh my God I have to buy that
skin type thing right but there’s no
there’s no like weapon camos or it’s not
like a ghilly suit yeah it’s not like
that and and all of it is stuff that’s
been in the game for a while that you
could have unlocked um or some new
things that are unlockable regardless
but they’re not like crazy over-the-top
skins that people are going to lose
their mind over and want to buy so let
me get this [ __ ] straight so these
[ __ ] have a community that will give
them $150 for a game and not complain
about microt transactions and they still
want to increase
it it’s yeah that’s crazy to me it’s
like I mean it a certain point aren’t
you killing the Golden Goose yeah I mean
I mean wow that’s what I was saying too
it’s like why like why put in like even
without the controversy of this is DLC
or it’s not DLC and it should be
included in this Edition like why not
take the model where you make free
content for the game or it’s not even
free cuz you paid for it but you add
content to the game keep people playing
and give them good like cosmetic stuff
to buy the weapon skins character skins
there’s like voice lines in the game
that you can yell at people in game and
I was like add some cool funny voice
packs to buy and and yell obscenities at
people in the game and make it fun and
like people would people would pay money
for that they would love it it’d be fun
make content out of it you know yeah so
it’s like a fortnite dance or something
silly like that that doesn’t really have
like a real
G yeah and and they’re just like they
choose to add like additional starting
items when you start the wipe and you
know they have this PVE game mode now
and like so so a player that buys the
$250 advant the the $250 version has a
unique competitive advantage against the
player who does not buy that version is
that correct it’s it’s it’s a little bit
more nuanced than that because
it’s a weird game where like you it’s
not like I have better gear than you I
win sure you know you anyone can kill
anyone with one bullet from even the
worst gun in the game You’ be wearing
all the best gear in the game and die
instantly to somebody with the absolute
worst gun worst ammo sure um but you
definitely have an advantage in your
starting items at the beginning of a
stash and now there are some permanent
things that you can get larger pockets
and a larger secure container ER so you
can hold more stuff or you know they’re
not huge gameplay advantages but
arguably they’re getting into the Pay to
Win aspect um and they also have the new
thing I think you read it where the
scavs won’t shoot at you from a certain
distance if you are maxed out reputation
with the and then there’s another thing
that they’re going to be adding which we
don’t know if it’s going to be in like
the PVP aspect of the game or just the
PVE mode but something where if you’re
getting in a fight you can call people
from your friends list to join your raid
and help you out so you can assemble the
[ __ ] Avengers yeah while you’re
playing and all your boys come we don’t
know if that’s going to be in the PVP
mode it it hasn’t been confirmed or they
didn’t detail it out but it’s it’s just
stuff like that where we don’t want that
you know so I I guess yeah I mean that
would completely ruin the game I would
say if you can just randomly summon in
three guys to help you kill somebody
that would potentially suck yeah we we
don’t know how that’s going to work yet
so I can’t say one way or another but
it’s just it’s just the fact that we
even have to you know question that and
be like hey does does this work in this
mode is this what you guys are doing I
mean when they’re literally changing the
sales Clauses inside of the upgrade page
without even mentioning that like it’s
it’s very dishonest to say that you know
this is from 2022 and not even address
this at all that it was an update
the the weird thing too is that this
addition of the game isn’t sold anymore
so why are they going in and changing
wording for an addition that theyve
stopped selling too right why why did
you feel the need to go in there and
even change that I think probably so I
mean there’s a good chance that maybe
they thought that if they did it quickly
without saying it that then people would
think that it was just a Mandela effect
and it didn’t actually happen like play
some kind of [ __ ] weird gas [ __ ]
that’s not going to work on the internet
I don’t know who would believe to do
that but I don’t know it’s it’s just
strange to me like it’s not even
addition that they’re selling anymore so
why are we changing the wording of it
from a a 2-year-old post from a
something that’s not even for
sale yeah this is really this is really
weird and so
weird go ahead I don’t know I don’t know
who’s like if it’s some Rogue employee
that’s editing the web page or you know
it’s hard I don’t want to point any
fingers or draw conclusions well it just
happened I mean we don’t know who did it
I mean just looking at it like we
noticed it and I was like hold on
there’s no way they just changed that
somebody says that they made tweets and
doubled down on it is that
true yeah so when people were were
saying um the
whole where we were promised all DLC and
now you’re adding DLC that we’re not
getting right they um they went out and
they said nope this this is not a you
know this is only a thing for the new
edition if you have the previous Edge of
Darkness Edition you’re not going to get
this new PVE mode you have to buy the
$250 Edition or spend the $150 or $100
difference to upgrade it to get access
to this so and this is the Tweet where
they say PVE mode is a unique feature
which is available only to the owners of
the unheard Edition we will keep you
updated on new
features and then it’s not a unique
feature it’s a DLC that can be purchased
for an Edition G yeah so in in Discord
the um the community the lead Community
manager he said verbatim and these guys
are they’re a Russian company so the
their English is always a little bit
it’ll be a little bit off yeah sure yeah
so he said it ain’t DLC it’s a uh it’s
unique feature of the new addition added
and then also further said DLC means
additional downloadable content PVE is a
feature and game mode just because you
all want it to become a DLC it wouldn’t
mean it is one It’s featured game mode
for the new edition of the
game so I bet that didn’t go over very
well no no no their Discord is on fire
it’s just con it’s been constant spam
for hours I I I feel like it is kind of
funny because the odds are yes maybe
they don’t understand English quite all
that well so they say it’s not DLC and
then they just literally Define DLC yeah
that’s basically Happ it’s like the
thing is too this isn’t a this is a An
Early Access game yeah so it’s it’s not
and even when you go and buy to buy the
game on their website it says it doesn’t
say instant access to the game it says
you will get instant access to the
closed beta so they’re literally
defining it as a work in progress
incomplete beta version of what will
soon be a final product right and
they’re making additional content for
the game and putting it for sale for an
additional price before they’ve made or
fulfilled their promise of making and
completing the game which to me is is
just like really
off-putting well yeah I mean I I could
see how anybody would believe that it’s
ridiculous yeah it’s like go ahead no
it’s just it’s it’s just so strange to
me like you know you would think you
would at least fulfill your promise to
complete the game with all the promise
features and then you know if you have
additional stuff to add you’d add it
then it’s like you’re adding extra stuff
whenever you haven’t even finished doing
what you said you were going to do what
everybody has invested money into with
with maybe money that people gave you to
create the game right well they did I
mean 100 money to to make the game that
you promised and then you’re trying to
charge them for something you’re
building with their money that they’re
not getting for the original product
that is incredible how does the
community feel about like what seems to
be an encroaching more pay towin
system I we we always like the original
Edge of Darkness Edition yeah already it
already tiptoed the line of some people
would argue it had pay to win aspects it
wasn’t like
overtly Pay to Win by any means but you
know it it was kind of getting there
like you know well it’s an advantage
though right and it’s a unique Advantage
okay there was some sort of advantage
for sure people called it pay to con pay
for convenience not pay to win okay so
it’s pay to win then yeah I could I
could see people’s you know people’s
argument there you wouldn’t get like a
direct if I’m in a gunfight with with
another person in the game like with
having the better addition make you win
probably not but but still uh it was
getting on a slippery slope and now it
feels like we’ve just [ __ ] [ __ ] Dove
off the yeah jumped off the cliff
exactly
yeah that is incredible so has has
anything like this ever happened cuz I
feel like the last like escape from
tarov I mean there was like the whole
wiggle thing right with like the
cheating scandal and before that I feel
like things have been pretty much smooth
sailing so have they ever had like a big
controversy like this
before no uh I mean until recently you
could only bought there were like two or
three editions of the game for sale they
never changed they were always available
they recently removed the Edge of
Darkness Edition started adding some
microtransactions and then they said
they would be adding a new better
version of the game and they Dro this
this morning and speaking about new
better ver there actually no I lied
there was a controversy when they
released um the escape from tarov Arena
mhm so everyone that had edge of dark
was supposed to get access to Arena and
when they initially released the game
they did it in waves so I mean you know
makes sense you don’t want to throw
everyone into the game at once and
servers and then people are mad but what
they were
doing allegedly was if you were buying
if you had EOD you wouldn’t get access
right away you’d be waiting in one of
the waves but people that bought the
game straight up like Arena
paid the price for it on a separate
account would get immediate access oh
yeah yeah I can EAS there were people
buying it getting in right away and the
people that maybe bought the game six
years ago dropped the 150 they were
waiting and how much was Arena whenever
it came out I think it was
$30 35 right okay well was at least not
$70 but still I mean $30 is a lot of
money for a lot of people yeah but it it
was also just fact that you had
dedicated people that were supporting
the game for years and then they were
sitting around not getting access
waiting waiting waiting and it’s like oh
well if you pay us money we’ll let you
in right away yeah no it’s it’s
obviously a scam and I I could imagine
like if you spent the money and they
told you you were going to get this and
then somebody else spends more money and
they get it faster than you do I think
that’s kind of a [ __ ] scam I mean
it’s not even a question it it sucks you
know
that was a big problem I felt terrible
hearing about that oh no doubt I mean I
I that’s that’s astonishing and I I
think especially like you know as a
streamer right I mean you probably have
disposable income to buy something like
this but for some people $30 is a good
amount of money and if you’ve already
spent $150 which is like almost the
price of like maybe like a last gen
console even or like a TV you would
expect to not be a second class citizen
effectively which is what that creates
yeah and and again it’s not even
regardless of how much money the game
was like as an early supporter someone
that like yeah you know we’re talking
this game’s been out for a long time so
like six seven years ago even you might
have supported this game early on and
they’re they’re kind of just like well
we already got your money we don’t need
to please you and people evangelized the
we’ll give you we’ll give you access
later like yeah you know the people that
pay money are more important now exactly
no yeah and also it’s like people
evangelize the game I have a lot of
people that have wanted me to play
Escape from darkov they’ve been trying
to push me to play it and like all those
people are pushing that and by doing
that they are trying to advertise and
promote the game so it’s crazy to just
like take all that Goodwill and then
make somebody pay $30 extra for it it’s
like such a like I mean personally I
would assume that you probably wouldn’t
want to sell it until you have your
existing players that are playing the
game but I I feel like if you do
something like that it’s got to be on
purpose
H yeah I I don’t know I
mean don’t attribute to malice what can
be attributed to
incompetence there it is yeah you know
no you’re right you’re very right you I
don’t I don’t want to think the worst
it’s just it it it just feels so wrong
trying to like get money out of people
this way yeah it’s kind of a bait and
switch at least a little bit and what
sucks is honestly the game it’s a good
game you know it does something that no
other game does like you won’t play
another game I mean Call of Duty has
been trying to do it right like if Call
of Duty can’t do it it’s probably pretty
[ __ ] hard to do there it 100% like
what they’ve done what they’ve done with
the game is is great they’ve they’ve
done a good job of building out the
features and adding to it over time and
you don’t get the experience of this
game anywhere else and it it sucks that
like this is how you know people are
going to be treated or that people feel
they’re being treated in in a game
that’s honestly very good
I I definitely understand that I I see
that very very well I mean I know like
for for a while there have been a lot of
instances where like you know that
needle was moved a little bit more where
it’s like okay there’s a little bit more
pay to win and oh you have to pay a
little bit more for this and you know I
think it’s been happening with gaming in
general right so it’s like people see
this happening with things like uh you
know Suicide Squad or that Star Wars
game or like some of these other like
Diablo 4 right and they have like these
crazy microtransactions and it’s like
you know can imagine the people from
Escape from tarov probably are like okay
well we’re safe we’re just in our own
little bubble and now you know the
bubbles burst and you’ve got to deal
with the same [ __ ] that everybody else
does yeah and and you know I get it
making games is is tough it’s a big risk
to try and you know come out and develop
something like this a big undertaking
there’s a lot of money involved there’s
expenses and and also just get the
aspect of you know you make you build a
big brand in an IP and I don’t think
there’s anything with wrong with trying
to a profit off of that right like like
you’re a business they’re they’re there
to make money these guys have put in
tons of work they’ve they’ve sacrificed
a lot they’ve taken risks they should be
rewarded for it but this just isn’t the
way to do it you know it just sounds
awful right and it’s like again there’s
really no upside for the customer and I
think that’s one thing it’s like it’s
the same with streaming it’s the same
with anything else like a movie a TV
show it’s like your business model is
not an excuse for creating a bad
customer experience right and and it it
there are plenty of opportunities in
this game to like fairly monetize it and
add yeah like content or you know skins
Cosmetics whatever it is that people
would genuinely be happy to spend money
on right which which is the weird part
like there there’s so many different
ways they could have done this and I’m
sure without me just thinking today they
could have come up with some really
creative stuff and it just like it feels
like this was just like a a cop out like
oh we’re going to we’re going to charge
150 bucks added some easy stuff just cuz
we can you know so they also made a
tweet too about [ __ ] on another game
this Arena breakout what the so is this
another what is this okay
so glad you brought this up yeah so or
Arena breakout was kind of like I’ll say
tarov clone quote unquote on mobile
right on mobile um so it’s basically you
play it on your phone it was an
extraction looter shooter it had all the
same features go on raids get loot
customize your guns do quests yada yada
uhhuh a couple days ago they announced
Arena breakout infinite which is their
PC version of it so now it directly
competes with tarov they’re they’re
they’re trying I mean evident by their
tweets they’re coming after tarov like
they want to capture the players of this
game or people interest in the game it’s
going to be free to play on Steam so
they they started tweeting out a bunch
of stuff let me let me pull up one of
them so I could actually read it okay
so they’re basically this is a big
opportunity for them to like capitalize
on T [ __ ] up they they literally
announced it a couple days ago and they
have a beta out like next month so
they’re like all right dude this is
perfect timing let’s get the pr guys on
this get the tweets out so they they
they dropped like a Gameplay trailer
today um to show it off they said
literally verbatim we will never scam
our players and our game will always be
free right before they dropped the the
trailer for it and then they also later
let me find the Tweet they said uh
taking in all the homeless shooter
looters at tarov we’re here to welcome
you and then they that is so [ __ ]
Shameless oh my God I mean you know I I
get it
yeah wow oh so they battle State Games
who makes tarov their respons resp to
this they they like quote tweeted it
basically yeah their response was they
they took a screenshot of the tweet and
they said have a nice 20 minute
Adventure in the blatant plagiarist game
in and
out oh they their response to this whole
thing they’re like all right our players
are upset at us for dropping this
DLC like DLC that’s not DLC the $250
game Edition and and their response
everyone’s mad at us and this other game
is
you know trying to be a competitor let’s
tell our players have a nice 20 minute
Adventure like go off yourself yeah
exactly and they’re they’re even saying
they’re calling blatant plagiarist game
in and out oh
boy just like double triple down on it
like you would think you maybe all right
let’s let’s take a step back everyone’s
mad at us let’s let’s think about what’s
going on is this really do you really
need to fire off a y Queen tweet about
like some mobile game competitor
whenever you’re in the middle of a
controversy that people think they’re
getting scammed in it’s not even it’s
not even going to be a mobile this is
going to be a PC version of the game so
it’ll be I think it’s a dedicated PC
version like directly coming after them
uh but you just think you know like all
right people are mad at us this other
game is taking shots at us let’s take a
step back let’s maybe come up with some
response to address people’s concerns
you know maybe we’ll we’ll we’ll say hey
we’re
gonna we we realize we’re looking into
this we hear you yeah just even
something like not even to make like a
big statement we’re reverting something
just say hey we hear you we’re we’re
currently you know we’re going to have
some discussions and we hear you we’re
going to think about it not even that
they’re just like yeah you know let’s
get on Twitter and [ __ ] [ __ ] on
everyone yeah hopefully you know we can
make these people you know we can make
the fans hate these people more than
they hate us so we’ll be okay yeah like
that so like what’s with this so Dr L
has like the most liked comment here
about cheating so so like what there’s
they’re still
cheating I mean so yes I think it’s
really it’s it’s not there there is an
issue it it seems to come in waves with
this game where there’s a famili with
that there’s a big yeah there’s a big
rise in cheaters they detect a bunch
then it’s good for a while then it picks
up again you know it’s sometimes it’s
awful sometimes it doesn’t feel that bad
uh I think that’s a big problem in just
FPS gaming in general right now it’s
nuts man like everyone seems it’s every
game like Pub I remember pubg added that
[ __ ] especially people playing from
China with like 500 Ms and then like
they’re also aimbotting you oh my God
yeah and then there was the Apex Legends
thing where people hacked in the
tournament you know Call of Duty’s been
riddled with it so it it doesn’t it you
know there is a cheating problem in the
game game for sure undeniably sometimes
it’s worse sometimes it’s all right but
every game seems to be struggling with
that so I wouldn’t directly pin it on
them specifically I think that’s fair
that’s a pretty charitable thing to say
I can understand that Activision or EA
can’t figure out the cheating problem
like you know it it’s probably tough to
figure out right now so what do you
think is going to happen like now that
this whole thing has happened and you
know like the community seems to be
Absol AP [ __ ] about this okay so
something just dropped yeah Twitter
dropped the community notes on games
tweet I saw that the PVE mode is not a
unique feature and it literally just
links is this the Wikipedia link yeah I
saw that Wikipedia downloadable content
uhhuh oh my
God man wow not looking good at
all Community notes doing a public
service
that’s great so what do you think what
do you think is going to happen with the
community now like do you think like uh
like they’re going to roll it back you
think people are going to trust them
again like what what’s your what’s your
read on it I struggle to see them going
back on this um just as a company they
don’t they don’t roll back things often
whether even if it’s a patch they they
drop a patch and there’s some issues
with it they very rarely even roll back
a patch that in roduce some like
gamebreaking stuff um so the precedent
is kind of there for them to stick to
their guns
mhm but I think people are people are
definitely upset I think a lot of people
aren’t going to be buying this for sure
it it it sucks though because the game
is honestly it’s a good game you know
it’s fun to play I love it but it’s
[ __ ] it’s [ __ ] up damn I’m playing
this game and I’m supporting this in
some capacity now I watched the trailer
and the game looked good like I was like
oh wow this is a lot of really cool
stuff maybe I should try this out and
then I open up the web page and it’s
$250 yeah I mean and and that’s like so
and there’s no other way to get the
single player game play unless you pay
$250 is that right no that’s it you
can’t even if you wanted to play like
the the co-op PVE mode with your friends
it’s not a separate thing you can buy
it’s only in the
$250 Edition that is amazing
um there there is a uh a mod for the
game like a single player mod that I’ve
never played it um they’ve always said
that you could get banned for playing it
or something like that people say it’s
great so there is an alternative to it
if you wanted to play
it so there’s that but yeah if you
wanted to play like the official
whatever PVE mode that they added the
only way is to drop 250 that is nuts
so like I and that’s that’s what’s so
crazy to me about this it’s like how do
you think that that’s a reasonable price
point because like I I just can’t
imagine because I I feel like having a
PVE mode that’s cheaper would probably
get people to maybe try out the PVP it
should if anything be the opposite in my
mind yeah well how do you even come up
how do you even come up with this
edition’s $100 more than the other like
how are you quantifying the value there
you know yeah it’s it’s like b game let
me let me check but the base game’s like
$45 maybe really okay yeah people are
saying it was 60 but buy it’s 50 now I
think it used to be I think it used to
be so the base game is $50 so for five
times more money so it’s $150
game effectively like for PVE well you
you can no no no if you if you want the
PVE co-op mode that they just added it’s
$ 250 oh sorry no I did the math wrong
so you’re paying $200 extra dollars
just for PVE in that case and and some
other additional items in the game Etc
yeah
but more or less yeah man that is
crazy that is you know because there was
a game that got announced recently Star
Wars Outlaws and it had a deluxe you
know Omega Edition for
$130 and I feel like that was like 2
weeks ago and everybody was saying like
well there’s no no way it’s worse
anything happens it’s worse than this
and this is 2 weeks later and it’s
double mhm oh my God I I remember dude
buying Call of Duty with night vision
goggles for like 100 bucks back in the
day remember yes yes and and it was it
was a little bit cheesy but like [ __ ] it
you get the RC car too drive around you
get the whole thing like you get the
remember the deluxe edition at like uh
GameStop and like you pre-order it
because they don’t have that many boxes
it’s like oh yeah we really need to
pre-order this video game this Deluxe
digital Edition that you just download
oh yeah let’s pay extra money to
pre-order this [ __ ] I I I dude how I
don’t know how it’s happened I have no
clue it’s yeah it’s just it’s gotten
crazy and and you know I again I get
like the C games have become so complex
now like the cost the cost of making
these games and like the the resources
and just the Manpower you have to put in
to make them is is probably
exponentially increased it has you know
back 10 years ago so I get it like the
price of Games and Things has to go up
and they have to find creative ways to
monetize them
$250 there there’s there’s good and bad
ways to do that and I think making a fun
game for people to play even if you
charge some amount of money for it and
then you you create content for it you
keep people playing and engaged and you
monetize through things that people want
to buy buy to show off in the game or
whatever I I don’t really see a problem
with that well they’ve got to make money
somehow right and I understand that I I
try to be as Fair as I can be I mean
like yes we can sit here and act like
Boomers and be like Oh back in my day
you just used to buy the game and you
could play it offline and everything
like yeah yeah for sure we can do that
but yeah I understand that too and I
think that’s reasonable a $250 ENT a lot
of [ __ ] money it’s it’s deep Char
yeah yeah you could you could you could
charge a different price or at least
piece out the content maybe you know
like if you wanted this other PVE mode
that they added charge a price for it so
someone can just buy
that better ways to do it it’s it’s just
a mess right now yeah it’s so weird
because like I’m sure a lot of people
would want to try the PVE mode if it was
like a smaller fee do you think that the
community would have responded more
positively towards this if this game
mode and everything was included in the
Edge of Darkness Edition do you think
any of this would have even really
happened no I mean people people would
meme the $250 price tag but I think a
lot of people they feel like you know
they’ve been jabbed because they were
promised you know it l says all
subsequent DLC and then they come out
with this this extra thing that’s not
included and their response to it isn’t
oh yeah you know we [ __ ] up it’s no
this this is isn’t DLC yeah it’s not DLC
and you see these other guys you see
they’re [ __ ] copying our [ __ ] can you
believe that yeah yeah that that’s what
I I think that’s really like what set
people off right like having like maybe
some pay to win [ __ ] in the game is
people would be mad about it but I don’t
think there would have been this type of
outrage it’s like the insult to the
intelligence of the customer yeah and
it’s as if we don’t know what DLC is
yeah and it’s like hey man I I L I
bought you got people that 7 years ago
dropped 150 bucks and they’re like dude
I I supported you in this game was like
Bare Bones nothing and you know I’ve
been with you all the way on this and
then you’re trying to you know you’re
trying to milk me for more money yeah
exactly I mean like [ __ ] uh $150 7 years
ago might almost be $250 now [ __ ] so
it’s like now they’re paying 500
probably too something with the way
things are going now it’s nuts man and
like I just I I’m always amazed whenever
I see a company do something like this
because it just seems like it’s such an
obvious ridiculous decision to make it
it it’s like how do you do something
like this and think that there won’t be
a huge backlash and I I think especially
like if any Community can like
effectively protest this I think it
could maybe be escape from tarov because
of how like dedicated the fan bases it’s
like if they put something like this in
the Candy Crush there’s no way you’re
going to be able to do anything about it
I mean it’s not even I mean what is the
the Candy Crush Community I have no idea
yeah it’s the people that uh you know
stay home all day yeah and and I mean
all the the the big streamers on the
game like every everyone’s like no I’m
not buying this [ __ ] [ __ ] that like so
like nobody and like so is that really
the case where like nobody’s even really
paying attention to this or like playing
it I mean we’re people are playing it
like again like I don’t want to stop
playing the game cuz it’s weird right
yeah yeah it’s cuz I like the game I
have fun with it it’s like there’s
there’s not a replacement for it yet um
so it it’s a weird pickle to be in some
people some people bought the addition
just to like see what all the stuff is
and check out the mode and like so we
can actually make an informed decision
on it so you know a content creator that
bought it to be like all right what’s
the deal with this why is this 2 myself
just show people like all right you know
if you’re be dropping 250 here’s what
you’re going to get that’s very fair I
wouldn’t I wouldn’t get mad at anyone
for doing that yeah like there’s there’s
a real thing but we’ve seen it all now
I’m not buying it [ __ ] no I’m not I’m
not doing that’s it you’re done yeah but
you don’t want to quit the game because
you love the game it’s got a unique type
of gameplay but it’s like this is just
some really rat [ __ ] like you know if I
continue to play the game that’s one
thing but I won’t be supporting this
type of practice of monetization you
know what do you think players should do
like do you think that they should stop
playing if they believe it is it like a
decision that you think that you know
it’s like everybody makes their own
decision or the weird thing that if you
play the game you’ve already bought it
you know like that’s a good point yeah
they’ve already got your money so
playing playing it
more is it is it wrong to do like
probably not but like maybe don’t don’t
buy into the new stuff that they had cuz
you’ve already paid for it like you know
why why just throw it away and waste
your money at that point very fair I
think that’s a really good take if if
anything if you wanted you’re just
running up their server costs maybe yeah
yeah so it’s like yeah keep now you have
to keep playing it right to punish open
leave it open
247 right yeah stay on the server and I
I feel like a lot of this is like a lot
of it is like pretty shady but the
changing the dialogue for the pre-order
upgrade and not even saying that you’re
updating it that is that’s I think
that’s on another level man like that’s
that’s something that I think they
should at least take some accountability
for and at least like just be like yeah
we did this we’re sorry or something
like that yeah and again it it’s tough
to say who did I don’t know who runs the
website or you know who does that or if
this was like everyone sat down at a
table somewhere and they’re like all
right how are we going to get out of
this we’re going to we’re going to go in
and change the the definitions of these
things retroactively so it I don’t want
to make any like hard statements about
that but it when I saw it I was like
hold on man what just happened like like
what’s going on why are we changing this
stuff yeah and it it’s I I think
especially whenever it’s being changed
in a way that’s like very non-ad to the
customer I feel like that’s what really
gets people’s alarm bells ringing you I
think that’s pretty fair espe you know
like the price of gaming is going up so
much I mean two I feel like $250 I would
say it’s a new low but it’s actually a
new
high right yeah I mean I I can’t really
think
of just buying an addition of a game
that’s that much money I mean you could
definitely you can drop you know
thousands on in game purch [ __ ]
mobile games yeah sure yeah but I
mean this is like this is Uncharted
Territory almost well what do you hope
they
do developers when I I did like a short
stream in the morning sure when when
this dropped and and when I ended off I
said you know I hope they really they go
you know they they take a moment here
and they step back and they say hey
everyone’s mad at us what are what are
we going to do about this how can we you
know make this right with the player
base and I I was hoping that they would
just you know come back with some
statement and and or at least like we
said before say hey we hear you we’re
we’re going to we’re going to take some
time and look it and look into this like
please be patient we hear you though and
they’ve like I L I ended my stream I
went to go work out and I was on Twitter
and I was seeing them post thing about
Arena breakout and everything I’m like
holy [ __ ] I go live again they’re just
they’re going in on it I was like I I
did not expect that I thought you know
if there was something that would make
them take a step back and and analyze
like all right we we [ __ ] up like
people are mad you know like where did
we go wrong it’s just completely toned
up maybe they’re doing that right now I
certainly hope so I’m sure they are
realistically yeah but but right now
it’s just it’s crazy I mean people
people are people are pissed what a
circus yeah people are telling me the
conversion rates they’re saying it’s
$350 in Canadian dollars I mean
$329 in Euros it’s 250 USD if you’re in
if you’re in like Australia what is that
in nearly 400 kangaroo dollars somebody
says in my chat oh my [ __ ] god well
let me see 383 Australian
dollars let me see um 250 USD is 383 26
oh my God
383 Australian dollar oh my God that is
crazy someone just said it’s what
430 Australian after
tax
430 after tax is bro
like I bought a car for like $500 before
like we’re getting dangerously close to
a video game being the price of a car
this is
yeah this a real situation you wouldn’t
download a car would you I mean
[ __ ] I I this is crazy I just can’t no
now you can I yes yeah now you can give
it a couple more years and you’ll be
able to download a car oh oh yeah oh my
god well I mean [ __ ] man I I do hope
that they fix it I really do and I want
to say thanks a lot for coming on and
you know like I I I think you represent
the community so well like you’re
probably especially in terms of all of
the controversies and things that I’ve
seen I think that you have like really
good takes on this and you’re very
measured and I appreciate that a lot I
respect that I I respect you as well man
big big fan by the way hey man I
appreciate it I always like hearing your
takes on stuff um so you know it’s it’s
an unfortunate thing to happen but you
know maybe maybe if this is getting so
much attention M companies see this and
they’re like all right hold we don’t
want to pull one of these let’s yeah you
know if we’re thinking about getting
crazy with some of the purchases yeah it
sets an example you know let’s let’s
stand back and go all right we don’t
want this to blow up and out we don’t
want to be on Forbes and articles about
this like let’s let’s think about this
for a moment yeah I saw one of those one
out about the skate from tarov pretty
recently I’m pretty sure yeah yeah
there’s there’s a something on Forbes
and PC Gamer and yeah it’s going all
over what a disaster
man yeah well I I do I do really
appreciate you coming on and talking
about it I I I I’ll probably you know
wrap everything up with my chat and then
you know probably follow up with this
tomorrow see where things go hopefully
hopefully better right I hope so but
yeah only time will tell absolutely man
well anyway it was really good meeting
you and talking with you thanks a lot a
pleasure man thank you as well see you
later man peace take it easy what a good
dude yeah I really like him he’s great
yeah it was actually like kind of
shocking like he I feel like if dude cuz
like I think about myself it’s like bro
if you put a $250 game version of a game
in a that I played bro I would be maling
so hard and I like super hard respect
the fact that he didn’t pop the [ __ ] off
about it and he was like still like very
reasonable like CU it’s like I can’t
imagine that bro I would be
exploding it’s like y’all Y y’all saw
the salt and that was over a $25 Mount
so yeah I I mean that was good I I I and
again like anybody from Escape from
tarov like uh you know like this sucks
guys like this [ __ ] sucks and I hope
this you know I I hope that there’s a
resolution for this because this is
totally [ __ ] unfair it’s ridiculous
they scammed you in my opinion I mean
you change this you say it’s future
dlc’s people buy it under that pretense
and then you change the wording ah gez
dude you know it’s one of those
things so yeah imagine $250 paying $250
for a beta yeah there you go how much
have you spent on wow yeah but how much
money have I had to spend on wow that’s
the difference right $250 is a full
month salary and some countries like
Lebanon and Egypt well I mean I’m sure
they have some Regional pricing right do
they have Regional pricing I don’t know
yeah I I have no idea well made him yeah
yeah no okay so then it’s a full
salary wow okay they don’t it’s going to
be funny reading all the people
defending the scam in the YouTube
comments I feel like this is so bad you
can’t cuz it’s like they change they
change this I mean this is they they
change the words I mean how can you
possibly say this isn’t a problem like
that is crazy to me man you can check
the regional price on Steam DB oh oh
yeah you know what I do know that
because I remember that whenever they
blocked the coffin of Andy and Le in
Australia I I yeah I did know that and
uh you’re forgetting how dumb people are
well I think what happens this is
probably what happens is that somebody
is already $150 deep into the game or
they’ve also bought microtransactions
they’re $2,000 hours deep into the game
and maybe they’ve already bought the
$250
thing and then it’s on Steam oh good
point um but and so like they’ve they’ve
done all of this and like now I mean
like let’s be real it’s like what what I
said with [ __ ] star rail right they
are are literally invested in this game
like they’re they’re like hundreds of
dollars into this game so like they
don’t want to like step back and say hey
maybe I was goofing around a little bit
because this is like such a huge amount
of money that they’ve that they’ve
invested in it’s a bit more yeah yeah
exactly there’s a lot of 2K Andes people
can write off another $100 and only
money coming as hackers buying new
copies honestly well I mean like yeah
but you’ve always got new people that
are coming into Tet like any game that
has a consistent core player base that
means that they’re having a lot of new
players coming in and it’s the same with
like almost any game like your game
begins to die whenever it’s simple it’s
like cells or like the like a person’s
body right your body begins to break
down when cells break down at a faster
rate than they’re replenishing
themselves very very simple such a
simple concept
so I I I feel like escape from tarov has
maintained a player base which means
that they are having new players come in
I feel like it it’s it’s guaranteed
isn’t it look at Star Citizen many
people spend a lot of money on a new
ship with no
problem uh what’s the difference between
this and Star Citizen I mean like I
don’t know um I I think it’s also like I
don’t let me think yeah what is the
difference like it’s a scam it’s a
physician escape from T gameplay funding
a tech demo longevity yeah I really
don’t know and also like a lot of people
have criticized star citiz right I mean
like scam citizen is pretty pretty
popular thing to say so I can’t really
go and act like this is some sort of
like unique thing to escape from tarov
is dealing with I feel like a lot of
companies that do something like this
are um you know are are getting [ __ ] on
basically so yeah that’s at least like
that’s that that’s what I think about it
SAR citizen didn’t promise all the [ __ ]
for free and then charge him for it yeah
I think that actually might be the big
difference uh I I would say myself but I
do really hope that the uh the players
can get at least some degree of um oh I
don’t know what the word is for it
um like think retribution is a little
bit too much right restitution how about
that a a little bit you know a little
bit dialed down uh yeah do you think a
sub model for newer game would work like
it did for wow it’s really hard to
say yeah with the account bundles
there’s a band wave the devs launch a
bundle discount which is clearly bought
by cheaters so it’s like an
international money glitch with cheaters
H maybe that’s the case I don’t know how
how valid something like that would be
but I could see why people would believe
it for sure I mean that it’s
crazy I hope that they can effectively
boycott this and actually create a
change because I feel like a lot of
times this happens and then no real
change happens lies spits into place and
like people just end up coming back to
it and letting it happen and I do really
hope that
I hope that people can actually push
back against
this they’ve always done a band wave
then instantly do a mass sale every time
super annoying that is kind of funny
yeah it’s like how you you know what
you’re doing that’s a massive [ __ ] you
to the player base who are passionate
for the game I feel like and like maybe
this is just stupid cuz like I don’t
really know a lot about the game but
this is the way it feels it feels like
escape from tarov is the Path of Exile
of FPS games where it’s like this is the
game that like if you want to be like a
super in-depth player and you love like
tons and tons and tons of complexity and
like detail and like you know I guess
you know at least for this is the same
for po right but like for escap from
dark like realism like this is where you
go to get that experience right the Dark
Souls of Shooters oh that’s good I like
that um yeah nobody’s used that before
so it’s like I I imagine if they did
something like this to Poe like what
what like the parallel for that would be
I mean like the poe Reddit goes on fire
you know if the servers are down for 5
hours on the server uh on the new league
right so like I mean I’m pretty sure
that if this happened in pee they would
it would burn down all of Reddit so yeah
like Chris Wilson would have to instead
of write a Manifesto he’d have to write
a book so yeah I mean I see this happen
and I think about other communities that
that it could have happened to and it
it’s it’s nuts man
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